Lately, there seems to be more of a MMA influence in pro wrestling. For example, a few weeks back, Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle, for a large part of their match at Lockdown, used MMA-based offense like low kicks and ground and pound, The Undertaker uses a gogoplata as a finisher and I think ROH's Davey Richards uses a kimura as a submission finisher. What do you all think of this?
Here's an example:
Do you think pro wrestling should include more elements of MMA, if so, what? Or should MMA and wrestling just stay seperate?
"I hate Taker using the Gogo I absolutely hate it.
It's one of the toughest submissions in [Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu] and can only be achieved if you are well versed in the rubber guard and are able to catch an opponent.
While Taker may enjoy mma he should have used a much more realistic finisher that someone his size could easily pull off like an anaconda or a triangle, not one of the toughest submissions the gogo."
-Suffy (Wrestling Clique)
"I dont think Wrestling should do MMA but rather do a Japanese style influence its hard hitting without the rules of MMA and i think these could work better than Wrestling trying to do things that there not."
-Jay M. Punkster (Wrestling Clique)
"When you say "MMA" people automatically make the association of "MMA = real fighting," because it is. And if MMA is real fighting, then what is pro wrestling? So, at no point in time should pro wrestling ever acknowledge the existance of the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. Doing so immediately draws attention to the fact that pro wrestling is "fake," and destorys kayfabe, the viewers suspension of disbelief, and sometimes even the fourth wall. Anyone who ever says "MMA" on a pro wrestling telecast should be shot.
Having said that, it wouldn't hurt pro wrestling in general include more realism and be a bit more respectable. In fact in my opinion the more realism the better. If I had my way there would never be a closed fist punch on a WWE televast ever again, sleeper holds would be sold as devestatingly effective and finish matches, and there would never be a phantom strike again either because I think that if you're going to hit somebody in pro wrestling then you should hit 'em. I don't think full blown shoot style is really necessary (although I love it), but like, even just watered down punishment style would be nice. That would improve the quality of WWE's wrestling by about 700%. Hahaha.
But yeah, pro wrestling should stay faaaar the fuck away from MMA.
Although, on the flip side of the coin, MMA and it's fans need to recognise that MMA's roots are in pro wrestling and pay pro wrestling some fucking respect for a change, because the organised MMA we see today is just shoot pro wrestling.
And for the record, the Kimura and gogoplata aren't MMA based offense, they're Jiu Jitsu based offense. MMA has no native techniques because it's not a martial art, it's a sport comprised of many different competitors who utilise many martial arts. Labelling a Kimura lock as "MMA based offense" or as an "MMA technique" because it's utilised in MMA sometimes is like calling a regular punch "MMA based offense" just because MMA fighters throw punches."
-Katsuyori Murakami (Wrestling Forum)
"Wrestlers doing MMA is pretty generic.
That is all."
-Dakstang (Wrestling Clique)
"I personally like the odd MMA move injected here and there - gives wrestling a different feel to it and freshen up the product a bit. I like taker's Gogo hold - just not during the match itself. If it was built up as a move outside of matches - like orton's punt to the head - it would be fine. but by applying it during the match, his shoulders are on the mat and should technically be counted as a pin, much like the surfboard hold."
-aaron (Wrestling Clique)
"Also in the way [The Undertaker] applies [the gogoplata] it's an illegal choke."
-Suntan Superman (Wrestling Clique)
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